Lots of responses this week to a question posed last week regarding a holed bust dime sold on eBay. As readers will see, we have some experts who participate here!
I enjoy your comments and hope you keep them coming even if you do
have other material.
The census will be published in the next issue of the John Reich Journal.
Winston Zack wrote:
Commenting on the 1829 "coin"
from eBay, and to answer your questions. 1) The denomination is a dime
(which you were probably well aware of). 2) Is it an altered date?
Funny thing about ebay images are that you need to do a lot of
self-interpretation - is 'such-and-such' a product of the image (shadow, fuzziness of pixels, etc), or am I REALLY seeing what I'm seeing? This
is a tough one to precisely interpret, but I would say there is a
shadow or 'dirt' covering the bottom of the '2' in the date making it
appear like the digit is curled. 3) It is not a JR-10. It is a JR-3,
and you can tell this by how far the top curl of the 2 leans over the
bottom base of the two. Another unique feature of this die marriage is
the position of the '9' relative to the lower hair curls of Liberty's
Bust. These two factors narrow it down to the 1829 JR-3 die marriage,
unless of course the '2' in the date is curled whereby this would be a
new Curled Base 2 die marriage - stranger things have happened, so I'm
not ruling out this possibility, but I don't put much weight on it as an
outcome!
Best,
Winston
------
Dave Shirlen wrote:
I am not sure what it is, but it definitely is not a genuine 29 curl
base dime. The "2" is completely wrong for the variety - a genuine coin
has a thin line for the upper curl of the 2 which connects to the knob
of the 2. That 2 is so blundered that I would guess an old altered
coin.
Dave Shirlen
Dave Shirlen
------
David Quint wrote:
The 1829 dime (if it is a dime) looks, based on the positioning of the
date and the slants of the digits, like an Obverse 2 to me, making it a
JR-3.
------
Louis Scuderi wrote:
Hello from Beijing! Definitely not a curl base 2 dime but definitely a
bust dime rather than a half dime. The 2 may be altered to look like a
curl base but the 9 is positioned incorrectly to be the real coin. The
obverse and reverse details, for what little there is of the reverse
(the smallish C in 10 C and its position), suggest an 1829 JR3. Not
certain what has been done with the 2 but it is way too thick on top and
the bottom has been altered from the flat based two of the 29 JR3.
All-in-all the curl base on this example doesn't have the same
compactness that the real coin has.
Louis
Louis
------
Hunter Wunch wrote:
When I saw the last JR Newsletter regarding a possible curl base 1829
dime on Ebay I had my doubts, but because of my interest in bust dimes I
wanted to make an effort to figure out what it is. Many times it can
be difficult to determine a die marriage, whether it be from bad
pictures, extremely worn details or both...my included picture shows one
method I use to help me make an educated guess. Since the letters and
numbers of all the early coinage were hand punched into the dies, none
of the dies are exactly alike. What I like to do is use the details I
can see on the coin and connect it with a straight line to another given
on the coin. Once you have a few points of reference, you can use
pictures of known die marriages to find the coin that matches your
points of reference. In the included photo (posted below...click on the image to enlarge it), I drew a line through S1,
S13 and the left edge of the "9"...As you can see, the JR-10 is quickly
ruled out. The quickest way I've found to use this method at home is a
straight edge of some kind (I usually use a business card) right on my
computer screen!
Being unable to see the reverse details or hold in my hand the coin in question, my conclusion is this is an altered date 1829 JR-3 dime. I hope others have some input on this coin, or maybe if we are very lucky a member here purchased the coin and can provide better pictures!
I also want to mention that none of the coins in the included image are mine, though I have obtained permission from the current owner of this JR-10 for my message here.
Hunter Wunch
Being unable to see the reverse details or hold in my hand the coin in question, my conclusion is this is an altered date 1829 JR-3 dime. I hope others have some input on this coin, or maybe if we are very lucky a member here purchased the coin and can provide better pictures!
I also want to mention that none of the coins in the included image are mine, though I have obtained permission from the current owner of this JR-10 for my message here.
Hunter Wunch
------
Rich Uhrich wrote:
The coin is definitely NOT an 1829 curl base 2 dime. The top part of
the 2 on that rare variety dime tilts back towards the 9 and on the ebay
coin the top part of the 2 doesn't tilt back towards the 9.
Just as a suggestion, a good way to confirm or deny an attribution is to examine a picture of the genuine variety on a trusted website. Such websites would include reliable auction houses as well as dealers who specialize in that coin series.
Rich Uhrich
Just as a suggestion, a good way to confirm or deny an attribution is to examine a picture of the genuine variety on a trusted website. Such websites would include reliable auction houses as well as dealers who specialize in that coin series.
Rich Uhrich
------
Now on to different topics!
Ralph Muñoz wrote:
For your viewing pleasure. Has anyone ever
seen a Tiffany & Co. Sterling Silver Money Clip with a Bust Half
Dollar? The initials NRC are engraved on the back. It's a 1827
O115.
Ralph
#179
------
Alan V. Weinberg wrote:
Some recent John Reich engraved mint medal information:
Some recent John Reich engraved mint medal information:
June
16, 2011 a Baker 58 Julian CM 5 , jugated busts of GW & Benj
Franklin / 1783 eagle over globe , engraved by John Reich and part of
the Jos. Sansom medal series struck circa 1805, in gem proof silver in
the original engraved silver case auctioned for a bit over $21,000 ($18K
hammer) in a small town Pa antique auction. It nevertheless attracted
four separate bidders all of whom happened to be on the Balto coin show
bourse floor at the time of the PA auction. Ford auction records for a
similar specimen approached $50 grand some 5 yrs ago.
Sept 10, 2011 the owner of a
superb silver proof Betts 546 Julian CM 8 , Franklin Lightning
Averted.../ Beaver at tree 1776, also part of the Reich Sansom medal
series, was on the Long Beach coin show bourse floor and the owner
turned down a $35,000 offer. It is the perhaps the rarest of the six
Sansom medals in silver. While Ford cataloguer Mike Hodder says approx
20 silvers are known in the Ford Betts II auction, it is in fact known
by only 4 or 5 specimens in silver. The only Reich Sansom medal in
silver known by 20 specimens (or more) is the Baker 71 Julian PR 1
"Presidency Relinquished" silver.
Alan V. Weinberg
------
Clay Blaney wrote:
Thanks for your work,
Clay Blaney, Member JRCS
------
JRCS Bust Dime Census
Anyone who would like their Draped and/or Capped Bust Dimes included in the upcoming JRCS census, please send a list of the die marriage and grades of your coins to David Quint at dimecensus@yahoo.comThe census will be published in the next issue of the John Reich Journal.
