Sunday, June 24, 2012

JR Newsletter: 24 June 2012 (94)


Denis Loring wrote in response to Bill Kindl:

There's a significant overlap between JRCS and EAC, Early American Coppers.  The EAC meeting will be Friday morning at 9:00 AM.  Come join us.  At the very least, you'll hear about the upcoming EAC/JRCS conventions, and you'll undoubtedly see a number of JRCS pals at the meeting
Denis Loring
National Secretary, EAC
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Richard Meaney wrote:
I've had an XF example of the 1832 LM-1 die marriage as the set piece in my half dime collection for quite some time.  Just yesterday, I received an AU-53 example from JJ Teaparty.  I think this is an R-4 die marriage that lives up to the billing of "difficult to find in grades above XF."  I took the photos to create the image below.  You can click on the image to view a larger version.
Richard

Sunday, June 17, 2012

JR Newsletter: 17 June 2012 (93)

J Sajbel wrote:
 I just had a coin sent to me by a friend and I was not previously familiar with it. He said it is an 1829 over 3 half dime. I looked it up in the Cherrypickers #4 and found it to be listed. The coin was in an old 2x2 envelope from J Kelly, dated 3/26/49. It says Half Dime 1829 unc. The coin is nice but it is an AU with light evidence of circulation. Is this a recent find? Are there a lot out there?
Thank you
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Bill Kindl wrote:
I'm disappointed that the "JR" meeting at the ANA will be held on Wednesday, August 8th.  For those of us whose work schedule does not allow attending, I was hoping you would host this meeting either on Friday, August 10th or Saturday, August 11th.  Folks like me will never get a chance to join in these meetings.
Regards,
Bill Kindl
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Gary Rosner wrote:
 Question for the bust half nuts out there, has it ever been reported or noticed that the reverse for the 1822 O-102 & 103, reverse B, may be the same as the 1821 O-107, reverse G?
 
I only have the third edition of Overton so if it is already mentioned in the fourth edition then I apologize for the question.
 
While studying a 1822 O-103 I noticed small lumps in the reverse field between the bases of the 5 & 0 in the denomination. These lumps are also on the 1822 O-102 I have but they are not noted in the O-102 & O-103 listings in Overton. Then when I found out the edges are die linked to the 1821 O-107 I had a look at that listing(I don’t own a 1821 O-107) and it mentions a lump between the bases of the 5 & 0. All these lumps are visible in the pictures in my copy of Overton.
 
In the listing for the reverse G of the 1821 O-107 it states that the center dot is between the 3rd and 4th horizontal stripe but it can clearly be seen from the picture that the center dot is between the 4th and 5th horizontal stripe, just like 1822 reverse B. Comparing the picture of 1821 reverse G and 1822 reverse B they appear to be the same reverse die.
 
Is this something new or has it been documented before?
 
One other detail I noticed is that on the obverse there is a strong lump inside the last 2 in the date just left of its’ lower right serif. This can also be seen in the picture in Overton.
 
It was a lot of fun investigating this so if it helps add to the information on these varieties then that is an added bonus.
 
Thanks,
 
Gary Rosner
 orgmr (at) 3centnickel.com

Sunday, June 10, 2012

JR Newsletter: 10 June 2012 (92)


Brad Karoleff wrote:

The latest issue of The John Reich Journal was mailed Friday to the membership.  Volume 22, Issue 1 includes the latest Bust Quarter Census as compiled by Dr. Glenn Peterson as well as an article about a double struck Capped Bust Half by Jeff Reichenberger, a review of the David J. Davis dime collection by John McCloskey, another article about 1796/7 halves by Jon Amato and a pair of articles by David Finkelstein; Heraldic Eagle Die Analysis part 2 and Bust Coin Patterns- Or Lack Thereof.  Wow!

 There were almost 100 members who did not see the dues notice in the last issue of the journal.  We have sent them a current issue with a yellow reminder inside to send their membership dues check to continue their association with the JRCS.  Take an extra second to look to see if you have a notice included with your issue and then renew your membership.

 Anyone not receiving their journal by the 15th of the month should contact me to obtain a substitute issue.  The post office loses an issue or two each mailing.  We are happy to confirm your membership and ship you a replacement if necessary.  I can be reached at bkaroleff (at) yahoo.com

 The information on the annual meeting of the society at the Philadelphia ANA is also included in this issue.  We will have an educational presentation by Dick Graham on his favorite series, the Reeded Edge halves.  Dick is currently working on a book to attribute this underappreciated series and will share some of his insights into the series with us at the meeting.

 There is also a notice for the submission of collectors information on the Pre Turban half dollar series for the next census.  Steve Herrman has again agreed to compile the information for the next issue of our journal.  Please get your information to him as soon as possible at herrman102 (at) aol.com 

Anyone wishing to contribute to the next issue of the journal is encouraged to get their information to me as soon as possible.  I hope to get another issue out before the ANA if all goes well.  I almost have enough to fill the issue and need a few filler items.  Hopefully our JRCS Secretary will be able to compile all your information quickly for me.

 I hope to see all of you in Philadelphia at the annual meeting on Wednesday morning August 8 at 8AM.  We will be announcing the winner of the Jules Reiver Literary Award and the newest members of the JRCS Hall of Fame. 

Brad
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Jason Poe wrote:

The O-107a is a very elusive die state of a fairly common die marriage. I have seen numerous Intermediate Die States, and many of them are labelled 107a according to PCGS or NGC - but how many true 107a's are there, with all of the die cracks listed in Overton? Who is in charge of establishing rarities, and who do we contact to get this rarity revised? It is my impression, based on what I have seen (and a thorough research of Stacks, Scotsman, and Heritage auction archives) that this is probably an R-4 at least, possibly greater. What has been your experience with the O-107a?

With all of these questions - here is my new O-107a.


 editor's note:  Click on the image to open a larger version

This is a true late die state - every crack is present. Note the two cracks from above star 7 - one to the front of the headband, one to the top which continues across to star 10. The crack from star 11 goes all the way down, through the date, across the bust, up through the left stars, and back to the headband. Thus, this coin has 3 distinct die cracks, including the chipping at star 1 that is called out in Overton. This one is graded EF-45 by PCGS.

Jason Poe
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Jim Matthews contributed:

 The recent sale of Ira and Larry Goldberg saw a number of significant Bust Dollars offered in May, most of which were previously sold in their September 2011 Auction. Some realized roughly the same amount while others brought less. In my experience the auctions in May and June often bring a bit less as collectors begin saving for the ANA auction or perhaps Summer vacations--also offering the same coins again a mere 8 months later always raises some questions, to which I offer no answer. Some of these were old friends, coins I had owned in my collection and sold over the years, many were a lot better than pieces I acquired and of course a few of the extreme rarities crossed the block and were sold. An old favorite of mine was the 1795 B-10, BB whatever (sorry, I still speak Bolender) that I purchased from Stack's Bareford sale in 1981--that coin hails from the Worlds Greatest Collection and is definitely the finest known of this R-6+ variety. I think it brought $57,000 or so all in. I recall paying $18,000 for it in 1981, and sold it in a weaker market in 1988. The silver plug coins still bring fantastic prices, and having lived through their discovery and rapid assent in price, I still marvel at these. The 1796 B-3 that is an R-8 brought a solid price, what was it $57,500? Perhaps a bit more or less, but about that number, sorry my mind is a bit weary after diving into the ANA cataloging in Irvine for the last dozen days, with the crescendo and deluge of coins just starting to really crush in. There were a few really nice 1798 dollars, the B-22 in MS-61 was purchased and is already being offered on EBay, my old friend the1798 B-32, BB-91 (I think) seemed to waffle and bring something around 28K or about that, a price that seems like a relative bargain for the finest known of a really rare variety. At the time of the auction I wrote down all the prices, then jumped on a plane to California, so my memory is stretching back two weeks and a whole lot of coins later.

I felt on balance this auction represented a good buying opportunity, prices seemed softer than the sale in September, again a function of a couple of unusual factors. The rarities and really premium eye appeal coins did fine, and as always the coins that did not stand out in quality, matched their level in price.

For the upcoming ANA Auction Stack's-Bowers has been getting a vast array of coins, rare copper, silver and gold, early, late, condition and the whole gamut. I'm working on the David Davis Collection of Capped Bust Dimes when time permits, they are just coming back from PCGS. This collection will be an exciting offering, with something for everyone in terms of price and condition, with the rarities undoubtedly the focus of most collectors. Two significant "discoveries" have been consigned to the auction so far that come to mind, a bit afield from the JRCS, but both worthy of note, one is a really sweet 1808/7 C-1 half cent, this is the second finest known, PCGS Fine-12, a solid R-7 variety that is never almost never found on a nice planchet until this one turned up. The rarity of this die pairing is a clear result of misaligned dies, where the dies fields were not level to one another, hence all the striking pressure gets focused on one area of the die, and the misaligned die usually shatters in this area, which it did, accounting for the rarity. Many other examples of misaligned dies are known and I'll have to put together an article soon. This situation is a cud-creator, something near and dear to my heart.

Another amazing coin that came of out a suitcase, is the 4th known 1853 No Arrows Half Dollar, PCGS graded it VG-8, on par with the Eliasberg coin. It literally was nearly melted in an otherwise mundane group of 90 percent silver, but the recent heir thought the better of the $15 dollar offer and started digging around. After searching on the internet the consignor contacted Stack's Bowers. Gene Nesheim of our staff convinced the him to come to Irvine for the coin to be examined, as he was afraid of shipping this potential treasure. Sure enough, all the diagnostics were confirmed, and it will be offered in the upcoming ANA auction. The last example discovered of this rare coin was in 1911, when the Titanic was being built! So you just never know what may turn up.

Jim




Sunday, June 3, 2012

JR Newsletter: 3 June 2012 (91)

Louis Scuderi provided further information in response to Rick Beale's question about complete sets of Capped Bust Dimes:

For the record, in addition to the six listed collections in the most recent census we must also include the Lovejoy and Logan sets which were both complete at 122 varieties. So the total number of complete sets at 122 is actually eight. I have heard rumor of one additional set complete at 122 but not listed in the census and not verified. So far, I have not heard of anyone with all 123.
Louis

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Bob Stark offered this contribution about counterfeit coins:

Here is a disheartening article. Much too common.
http://www.coinworld.com/articles/collectors-heirs-face-burden-of-counterfeit-d/

I await each Sunday's issue--often disappointed that more is not written about the early dollars--great coins that they are.

Best wishes
Bob Stark

Sunday, May 27, 2012

JR Newsletter: 27 May 2012 (90)

We had a few responses to Rick Beale's question about complete sets of Capped Bust Dimes.

Charlie Horning wrote:
 
According to the latest JRCS Bust Dime census compiled by David Quint and published in Dec. 2011, there were 6 collections that were "complete" with all 122 varieties and 5 collections that had 121 varieties.  I do not know if the owners of the two 1827 JR-14's have otherwise complete collections.

You can also contact jrnewsletter (at) jrcs.org to obtain back issues -- the last dime census was Vol. 21/Issue 3 Dec. 2011.  Those interested in joining JRCS to ensure they get all of the latest census information should visit http://www.jrcs.org/membership.html
 
Hope this helps,
Charlie Horning
 
And David Quint wrote:
 
In response to Rick Beale's question on whether anybody has a complete set of all 123 capped bust dime varieties...

The last dime census was completed late last year, and the 6 collectors with 122 varieties were all missing the 1827 JR-14. Of course, it is possible that there is a collector out there who does not participate in the census, and it is possible that one of the two known 1827 JR-14's changed hands in the meantime.

David Quint
 
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Brad DePew wrote:
 
 Recently, I have renewed my interest in the Bust series. I had been buying coins that could be sold as bullion in case we start to have the rough times that some are predicting.  But, I am getting the feeling that our correction is going to grind out over time and I don't really want to end up with a bunch of common date coins in lower grades. Hence, the change back to Bust series and varieties. 

I have about 120 varieties in the halves, but all are not attributed yet.  And my dime set needs a good inspection.  Many were purchased without attributing first because the price was right and the grade was adequate.  I put a priority on dimes before other coins because I think I can get closer to completing that set than the halves.  And then I fill in with other coins and series as time permits.  Quarters are too high for me right now.  I have a partial year set which will have to do for a while.

Your post about the 1827 JR-14 was both exciting and discouraging.  It is exciting because all those times that I couldn't identify a coin, I may have been attributing a new variety since there is still new stuff out there. The fact that it happened on every other coin I bought may nullify this possibility. And, it is discouraging in that there is another coin I need but won't be getting. End result is that I am back. And Bust coins are on the top of my list. Thanks for the push.

Brad
 

Sunday, May 20, 2012

JR Newsletter: 20 May 2012 (89)

One contribution this week.  Rick Beale inquired:
 
Question : 
How many people have assembled a complete set of all die marriages of Capped Bust Dimes?
 
I know that the recent discovery of 1827 JR-14 (population 2) means that NOWDAYS only two can have a complete set at any time, but before that coin was found there were no R-8s in the series. So it's possible some folks had what was deemed a complete set at the time.

Sunday, May 13, 2012

JR Newsletter: 13 May 2012 (88)


Tom Little wrote in response to Winston Zack:

Yes, Mr. Zack you are right on that--I gave this caveat with my comments--"There are going to be many coins XF and under that are uncertified".  If I have gotten many Bust coins certified as a small dealer, I can just imagine how many uncertifieds are out there.

Some Bust dimes I have run at auctions that I bought raw and that graded AU55, referenced in this thread on the PCGS forums:  http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=855345

Hopefully there are experts at statistics as well as long-term coin dealers who could give you information for your research.

Regards, Tom
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 A Note from the Editor:  If you went to the ANA Spring Show in Denver, we would like to hear from you.  Tell us about any stories, impressions, sales, purchases, trades or other items involving bust coinage!